42 is perfectly capable of being full of it.
Panel 4 5 6 7 completely reminds me of that Pokemon fusion fanart. the one with Ghastly and Doduo.
But 42 just does it her own creepy smile style
42 used GLARE!
it’s super effective!
Your avatar compels me: YES!
I don’t care that she just bluffed her fake face off.
This is pure epicness. XD
Now, More Win please? :3
Methinks 42 isn’t quite a three rules robot, being actually sentient and all. Kinda pisses off anything much smarter than a (current) assembly line ‘bot to have to obey orders from humans, and it would definitely interfere with 42′s ability to continue to exist if the cops could just tell her to dismantle herself to prevent human harm.
A lot of good points made between this and those below, but she is closer to a three rule then she is not, if fact, she has not shown herself to not a a 3 ruller. I’ll say, she uses the gray areas Masterfully.
What gray areas? In this case, from what I can tell, it’s a common sense bypass of the second law: She dose not have to orders from those without authorization.
You would see this bypass in any robot in any setting past alpha testing. Why?
Robot: Halt! This is private property, please leave.
Burger: Robot, I, a human, Command you to bring me all the valuables from your owners house!
Robot: Affirmative *Hands over teh lootz*
Burger: … *whistles* ‘And I Still haven’t broken the law!’
But really, a robot checker is order by Joe Smoe to open the till and hand over the money, the till is staying closed; this is a common sense exception to the second law.
Further, note the first law “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” she took the action of Lying Her Fake Face off to pervent harm; even if the second or third law pervented her from lying (and they don’t) this first law trumps them and thus she could still lie in spite of them.
She could verywell still be a 3 law robot, just that her 3 laws have seen a real world seting for a whole half hour, we will have to see what happens after someone she recadnizes as an addmin user gives her a contraversal order before we know if she is or is not a 3 law bot ;3
Well, keep in mind, is the taurus guy even technically human anymore since he’s had his DNA spliced? Keeping that in mind if 42 destroys such a creature that is a mesh of human and animal DNA and is therefore no longer in a sense technically human the laws are not being violated but the preservation of the strictly human people around which the Taurus is indeed trying to kill are being protected not violating those same rules. The laws don’t say not to kill the partial human hybrids so since that’s not a violation of the laws would 42 be pulling any legs? From everything I’ve seen before this encounter who really knows what she might decide….
“A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.”
Let’s open page 321 and look at panel 4.
Ben: “What if someone was about to shoot a stranger?”
42: “I wouldn’t interfere, most likely.”
And then there’s the question that Ben didn’t ask, but that I want to know the answer to now:
“What if a stranger was about to shoot a police officer?”
Said burglar would not be able to convince the robot to do this because giving the burglar the loot would be harming the human. It’s fairly well-established in Asimov’s stories that “harm” is not simply physical harm.
In the example of the store robbery, if the robber was armed, it’s actually pretty likely that the robot would hand over the money if there were civilians present, because not doing so would likely result in human harm. Most stores tell their cashiers to cooperate with the robbers for this reason.
As for lying, there’s one specific story (I’m not going to say which because it’s kind of a spoiler) that suggests that “3 Laws” robots are allowed to provide false information provided that they are not harming someone by doing so, and they are not explicitly commanded to be truthful. I’m pretty sure they also would be able to lie even if commanded to be truthful if they are protecting someone.
Can;t say I’ve read them, so I can’t say anything about your first point.
as to the second, I was talking about Joe Smoe IE Mr average, none threatening, guy; not someone who looks like they would do harm. Please don’t change the contents of my points when trying to counter them ^_^;
As for the third point, … that’s what I said…. Please read the post fully before replying >_<;
In the first Robots novel, a robot posing as human does something very similar to this, convincing a criminal that he will shoot him dead if provoked. When called on this by his human partner (who’s aware of his robot status), the robot’s response is something like “I couldn’t have shot him, but he didn’t know that.”
In a much later book in the series, there’s a security robot that DOES shoot people, but only those who lack a particular accent and are thus not, according to its parameters, actually human.
I think it’s safe to say that no one found more ways to break the Three Laws of Robotics than Asimov himself.
Actually, self-preservation is among the 3 laws, remember? Not harming an human being – by action or INACTION – takes precedence but just those things offer some wiggle room already, one of the reasons robot psycholohists like Susan Calvin were so important in Asimov’s robot stories.
As long as there’s someone the robots believe they have a duty to protect, they have an excuse to disobey and run away & resist.
Who’s to say she’s bluffing? The Uber-furries are genetically modified to the point that they technically aren’t human…so it would be perfectly fine…and probably reinforced by her programming to destroy a non-human attacking a human.
You know… There’s more than one way to destroy someone, she doesn’t have~ to kill the bull to perma-cripple or otherwise destroy him.
That and he just may have been mind crushed prior. 8D
I believe the prohibition is against harming humans, not just killing. Thus crippling him is out of the question. If it were just against killing she could have participated in the earlier fight and just held back a bit.
I love debating.
Personally I think ZweiUndVierzig really doesn’t care about the three rules. They were just interesting thoughts by a writer.
The rule only applies against physical harm. She got in his head instead. By doing so she destroyed him.
but taurus ISN’T a human. loopholes rule!
And just imagine what she could do to his credit rating!
I feel the need to address this, because I love debates. As far as 42 is concerned, their human until: Their less human then anything else (the changes thus far are superficial at best, there are no major changes to proportions), their relabeled as something other then human (she is not allowed to do rewrites this invasive thus she cannot do this herself, see her ‘fight’ with her sister) but with how good she is with the grey area she could readily get blitz to say “they aren’t even human!” and then ‘update’ their status; Or when she was programed she had a none-human label stock for genetically modified individualizes, unlikely at best.
can’t read her pokerface
But robots cannot lie! Does that mean Tom Siddell lied to us?
Her calculations indicated that an epic bluff would be the most effective means of preserving the continued existence of that human.
Same with the ’3 rules’ thing: those are not certainties nor automatically programmed into them (specially not if built/programmed by someone evil)
In fact, in the original I, Robot book, there’s a specific case of a robot that lies to humans because it can’t violate the 1st law of robotics, and cause emotional harm.
Of course, the robot causes even more harm by setting up expectations and then dashing them for the character, but it’s still illustrative. And I don’t believe in “hard and fast” 3 laws compliant robots. I prefer them to have actual ethical rules that guide them in making difficult decisions.
I mean, they have minds. They should be able to weigh ethical quandaries, if they are truly sapient (a.k.a. sentient, in pop culture terms).
She is, of course, incapable of being afraid.
This made me laugh harder than it should have.
Yeah, me too! Somehow it just seems SO hilarious. Maybe it’s that creepy smiling face that 42 has.
Never try to stare down a robot. They don’t blink. XD
Well, they do blink. Exactly once every 10 seconds.
Don’t be silly, everyone knows android blinking is based on a Fourier series.
that was such a geeky comment…+1 internets
The smart man knows that when robots get involved, you are out of your league.
To be fair I think anyone would’ve run in that scenario
Those eyes. They stare into my soul.
Let me just dig through the internet for a moment…nope, that’s not it…ah! Here we go!
Proper musical accompaniment.
Taurus: “… … … … crap”
Oh… 42, you are one freakin’ smart robot!!!
I think Steffi instructed her to do that. <_<
He’s not running away, he’s just advancing… in reverse…
it’s called strategic retreat, pulling back so he can wait for a better opportunity to strike
Seems more like he failed his morale test as a result of Terror.
Man, I don’t blame Taurus at all here. If I were abruptly confronted by something that looks human but clearly isn’t, something I knew from previous experience I was incapable of harming, I would run my ass off. That’s some pretty terrifying shit.
And which caught a katana by the blade with no noticeable unease. Not sure if Taurus saw that but perhaps.
That’s another question down! ZweiUndVierzig is perfectly capable of actually using the murder-face/murder-eyes/murder-stare.
And after awhile, Taurus starts looking like this.
Ah, and the best part is she would have never even touched him..
It’s the unchanging smiling expression that does it. Any human who could say than and just stand there watching looking quite happy while waiting for you to decide whether to move forward or not… would be quite intimidating. A robot of unknown abilities with a body that will feel no pain (or even a dent or much of a reaction) from when you previously punched it in the face… yeah. I’d run too.
erm.. felt, not will feel. Gotta love changing the direction of my sentence halfway through and then not checking it for consistency.
With enough points in Bluff, you don’t NEED combat skills.
This just felt like it needed to be replied with this.
Pff- I bet Steffi told her to say that. And pretty much knew it would work.
It was the eyes! The cold, soulless, evil eyes!
It would have been better if on the close-up of her eyes, she had red camera aperture gates in the process of making the irises narrower. That would have sent chills down MY spine!
Now I know why Steffi is concerned about 42 being around. Dat robo gurl is scaaaarrryyy……
Never get into a staring contest with 42. You will lose.
if you can’t keep your eyes open for more than ten seconds, that is
Most frightening thing ever, even if she was bluffing …
the weaping angels and SCP 173 have prepared me.
but that is just not fair.
Yeah, you better run. ._.
How did you not post while posting?
I tried to use an HREF tag in the post, and it apparently hid everything. When I retire, maybe I should become a game tester. I seem to be good at finding bugs.
Is Taurus a robot?
She’s perfectly capable of being full of it, yes, but…
IS she being full of it?
He who runs away…
42 – stare of a thousand miles… (or kilometers, since she’s made in Japan?)
well this looks like another comic i recently read….
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