Good thing this didn’t happen next update so everyone could argue about whether it was a prank.
Aww yeah otp 5evr
No, No you stop that right now. >:I
No doubt the adrenaline caused this.
Yes. I agree. Yes, it did.
Yep definitely adrenaline induced bravery
Battle Lust is called that for a reason…
I disagree, I think what happened is, Benny-boy had some not-quite-correct assumptions about how Steffy-girl lived, he thought she was just a reckless person with no real reservations about her own personal safety, this happened because he just realized, we adrenaline junkies don’t do it because we necessarily want to, we NEED to, we do stuff like this (well, maybe not like THAT) for the same reason a meth addict, or a cocaine addict holds up a gas station for money for more drugs, we NEED that high, and like all things, we become resistant to it, so we need to do some thing even MORE drastic to get that highness, and Adrenaline junkies often have White-Knight complexes because the rush of 1.Standing up to someone, and 2.Helping some one in need is SO GOOD. How do you think Sky-diving was invented, some one probably HAD to jump out of a plane for one reason or another and he F**KING LOVED IT! So he wanted to do it again. But realistically speaking, if common people could produce dopamine or Adrenaline in large quantities, and then sold it, like weed, or coke, or meth, they’d probably make it illegal, with the exclusion of Medical uses, I mean, look at it like this, Cocaine used to be used as a pain killer in hospitals, that’s where coca cola came from, they’d give them some, only with literal Coke in it, hence the name, and you can STILL get weed medically today…
BEST. THING. EVER.
Welp, bring in the fangirl scream sound sequence.
When I saw this, I shouted “SMOOCHES” at the top of my lungs.
makes me wish i could have been there
Steffi is so hilarious.
Also, am I really the only one who called this?
Was hoping for some shoujo-ai, but this works, too.
I AM FLIPPING OUT.
PROBABLY THE ADRENALINE MAN.
GOSH DANG IT.
I NEED TO SEE HOW SHE REACTS!!!
IS 42 RECORDING THIS?
SHE TOTALLY IS, ISN’T SHE!
STEFFI’S DAD FELT A DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE.
THAT OR HE SPILT COFFEE ON HIMSELF THIS EXACT MOMENT.
Okay I’m done now.
This is a great comment. Especially “SHE TOTALLY IS, ISN’T SHE!” and “STEFFI’S DAD FELT A DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE.”
Entirely made my day.
As for your “I NEED TO SEE HOW SHE REACTS!!!” predicament, I’m sensing a reflex punch/judo flip being incited out of shear panic. How ’bout you?
Maybe…but first, I think she’ll be in need of a quick and discreet change of underwear…
OH GOD IT HAPPENED
I didn’t actually expect this to happen whoa o_o
“Hey, Mom, Dad, what was your first kiss like?”
“It was a bus stop, we were in furry getup. The robot took pictures.”
“So, Mom, when did you know Dad was the one?” “Well, I was in this mini-mecha your grandfather secretly built…”
This theoretical kid is going to hear such stories growing up.
Ben – “No dear, remember the mech was at the police impound lot when we arrested the snake person”
Steffi- “No I’m sure Ben, this was after Chandra helped me steal it back”
Kid- “Auntie Chandra?”
Steffi- “Yes, your auntie Chandra, back when she was Racoon”
Ben – “Ah right! When I kicked the girl on the motorcycle! I always wanted to do that again…”
Steffi- “you were so heroic”
Kid- “Mom, dad, forget I asked”
“Well, of course by that time we were only wearing part of the costumes.”
“AGHHHHH LA LA LA CAN’T HEAR YOU MOM!!”
*Frozen solid and speechless.*
….my least favourite pairing….my most favourite comic….
If Tuesday isn’t completely redeemable, I don’t know what to do. My soul is pretty much shattered. Chandra, Gear, please show back up soon? Your silliness, cuteness, and horribleness keep this comic from dwindling into the tasteless, dreadful romantic dramas that so many comics I like fall under. Homestuck finally redeemed itself, but none of the others have. I reall would prefer to be able to keep reading KB without grimacing or wincing, like I do at MegaTokyo.
Ugh. Just….just ugh.
I AGREE 100%
AND MY MATE IS ANNOYING ME SAYING HOW CUTE THIS IS
I DUN SHIP EM
BEN’S JUST GONE MAD
TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL
THATS ALL IT IS
Ok I’m done ^_^
Really. :’p wow. Overeact a bit much?
take it! take it!
one kiss and youre ready to write off the comic, huh? that sure seems reasonable.
also i dont know if like youre suggesting that ‘chandra, gear, show up soon’ as in you want chandraxsteffi or gearxsteffi but in case you are i will invite us all to take a moment and reflect deeply on just how many tasteless dreadful romantic dramas on the internet star gay people.
No, my Gear X Blitz thing from years before remains just a joke. I just hate Benzene, and always have. I find pretty much everyone to be a better character than him, and Gear and Cahndra are my favourite outta the cast. Although I do support Chandra X Steffi, the points was I wish he would get off-screen and make room for characers that are actually fun and interesting.
On the subject of romantic dramas, I hate them all, heterophobia or not. (I’m not actually heterophobic, I just don’t like heterosexuality shoved down my throat all the time – get enough of that from my parents.)
Finally, on the subject of writing the comic off, that post was written at 4 AM. I’ve had over 12 hours since then, and have calmed down significantly. I accept anything Mary Cagle writes, as it is her story, and if there’s one thing I dislike it’s people telling me how to write my own fiction. I’ve been with this comic since it began 4 years ago, so I’m unlikely to quit reading all because of one comic. It’s hard to break a habit, and besides, I’m holding out that it will improve in the upcoming weeks.
To reiterate: Mary Cagle can write whatever she damn well pleases, and I have no place to tell her “no”. I just hope she doesn’t fall into the trap of drama that I’ve seen so many things be ruined by. It’s a dangerous road to walk, but I have confidence in her.
i think theres probably a difference between it getting shoved down your throat and you just feeling sorta surrounded by it because lets face it homosexual people are a minority. im pretty sure not many people write heterosexual romance to make a point about how ‘straight is the best’ or whatever.
anyway that aside. i am always searching for ways to improve my story telling chops so let me ask you a question.
when you say romantic drama, do you mean romantic DRAMA? or romance in general. like if for example two people fell for each other in a very straightforward fashion with no angst whatsoever would that be cool with you? or are you unilaterally objecting to romance across the board.
Well, mostly I meant the trap that I’ve seen lots of works fall into, where the characters’ relationships become more important than the overall plot. A couple massive examples:
Buffy: Vampires? What vampires? We’re too busy making out and feed houses our sexual energy to fight the undead.
Homestuck: Who cares about saving the universe? Let’s spend a few long months angsting over our personal problems! (This was later paid back in full through Intermissions that actually helped the plot along.)
Basically, romance and relationships are fine, and can even be a driving motivation for plots, but when they BECOME the plot, you’ve written A) a romance story, rather than the originial intention (fantasy and science fiction for the above examples) or B) a soap opera.
As long as the relationships don’t overwhelm your plot, they can greatly enhance the character depth.
I wouldn’t be so judging about this. You assume too much..
nah im not ready to go off it lol XD
I have a hard time seeing homestuck’s forays into the flushed quadrant as ever being overly dramatic. Hell, the self deprecating humour was very strong with that one. To name a few select scenes:
Dave and Karkat getting into an argument over troll romance novels and Karkat’s desire to have a cyclic romance Dave and Terezi while fighting over a purple marker and screaming at one another of shipping grids.
UU’s and uu’s ideas of fan fiction, most notably uu’s Saw-esque game of making Dirk draw PG-rated friend-fiction “pornography.”
The entire series on troll-romance quadrants and the jab at how one of the only things humans and trolls have in common is their shared view in how ridiculously over complicated is.
I’m pretty exclusively talking about Post-Scratch Kids when I talk about Homestuck becoming a romance drama. Trickster Mode did a good job throwing it all out the window though.
MAI GOSH I HAVE SHIPPED THIS SINCE LAW OF TALOS TIMES.
U SAID THEY WHERE FRIENDS
THIS IS WAAAAAAY MORE THEN FRIENDS
IM FANGIRL SQUEELING ATM
BECAUSE OF THIS
*Joins in fangirling*
I’ve also loved these two from the Times of Law of Talos. My God i’m so happy.
I expected this would happen eventually, but not necessarily here. Was a nice surprise. I have a feeling she will react… confused and they won’t talk about it, causing the tention between them to increase. I am a sucker for good romance (sub)plots.
On an unrelated note, that must have been hard to live after illegally surgically altering your face. At a few points I felt almost bad for the snake guy.
O…M…G!!!!IT FINALLY HAPENNED!!! it took me 4 years to wait !! 4 YEARS!!!!
but holy damn, this page is so worth it,
*now if you excuse me, i will now squeal of fanboyism*
YES THANK YOU.
You drew this page just for me, didn’t you?
Hmm.. has anyone else noticed what’s written on the back of the bench they’re sitting on?
If not, take a closer look at it… Ms ‘Cube’s done it again it seems…
Cheers & Thranx
The lesson here seems to be that if you want to get someone over the tipping point of just liking you into something more, get them to do something dangerous and crazy with you.
So that’s why Benzene chose a wolf after Steffi got a rabbit. He planned and set up this whole prank, just as a wolf stalks it’s prey.
Or just because, you know, he thinks wolves are cool and he genuinely likes Steffi.
Unless this is a prank by Cube and it is just the adrenaline.
I think the biggest prank here is how Cube is causing me (and probably others) to overthink this. They’ve had a relationship upgrade. Good for them, let’s see where this goes.
Also, am I the only one to think that what Steffi’s doing with her hands seems a little unnatural? I’d see them flailing around a bit more, probably in a more defensive palms-outwards gesture or a more indiciative palms-inwards gesture. Or maybe I’m still overthinking things.
To think, I pulled this whole ‘overthinking’ schtick on my roleplayers the other week, and now I’M falling for it.
Yeah, that’s probably the real prank. Cube making us overthink things.
Then I wanted to post more. Like some stuff about how this was an interesting thing to put up as the 300th comic. But then I decided not to, beause I’m already falling for Cube’s prank far too much.
To be fair, kids their age are usually very mixed up all the time about feelings. Hell, most adults are usually very mixed up all the time about feelings. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not a prank so much as a realistic appraisal of the characterization of Steffi and Ben.
The problem with giving people several days (and occasionally entire weeks) between updates is a recipe for ONLY overthinking and hypercritical thoughts. As for myself, I have decided to calmly explain my opinion and then sit back and observe how this plays out.
It might be a bit confusing, sicne I wrote this comments all over the place (timestamps can help sort it) but this is the final note I’m leaving on the matter. I am through discussing the subject until we see how things turn out on Friday.
ASKKDJJGDDFFFFFFF *takes a drink waiting for page to load. Page is done loading*…. D8 *suddenly becomes a human firehose*
Did this happen to anyone else or was it just me?
OH WELL IM MY COMPUTER IS WET NOW. HAPPY 300th PAGE!!! 8D
Ben, you’re my friggin’ hero.
Stef will so be on cloud nine when she´s home and her dad will be like “what´s going on? And why do i feel the fatherly need to buy a shotgun?”. XD
I don’t think Mr.Frolich would settle for a weapon as mundane as a shotgun. Unless maybe it was REALLY high-tech in some crazy, novel way.
I think I agree with you TPman
I just tazed a bull man a snake man and a cat lady, let’s kiss.
Clearly the most romantic of all gestures. This was the only reasonable result.
All I can say is, “About flamin’ time an’ all!”
Oh, yeah – Happy #300, Cube! May you last another 300 (and the rest!)
and then that happened.
Interesting graffiti placement…am I the only one who noticed that or am I getting to English major on this comic?
i forgot to add.
may the shipping fan art begin.
As sad as it makes me to say, you’re more than 300 pages late. This infernal ship has been manned by pirates since before the comic even began.
Ben’s about to get slapped…
Nah, with all that defensive rambling, you can tell she wants it
“I-it’s not like I like you or anything… BAKA!”
Also, panel 6 = accurateeeee
I’m ok with this. Happy 300th page to Steffi!
He is still on a andrenline rush
I do believe Tychus Findlay said the most appropriate thing for JUST a situation like this.
“Hell,it’s about damn time.”
Ah, that wonderful feeling of your ship sailing~
Did not expect that!
Forever after, they have to say “Our first kiss was sitting at a bus stop in fursuits.” Dammit Ben, you’re supposed to be the one who thinks things through occasionally!
Yes, all my yes
HUZZAH! CANON! YES!
Omg… Fourteen tracks I’ve waited for this moment. *Fangirls everywhere*
300th page… THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!
OHHH NOOO A SHIP I DON’T LIKE IS HAPPENING
COMIC IS RUINED FOREVER *cut cut cut*
Adrenaline + near-death experience + teenage hormones = kissies.
I really wish I knew that formula a few years ago.
Only 44 comments? This is ship strip…the ‘shrip’ if you will. Those almost always bump the comments up to like a half dozen pages within twelve seconds of being posted.
Now here comes the shipping wars!
*makes some popcorn*
Ben is totally pranking Steffi…
*sits back and enjoys the play*
Atta boy, Ben! The wolf finally takes his prey!
But what will happen next? Will Chandra become a villain (not just an anti-hero) because of her immaturity and hurt feelings? What about Gear? I now see that from the beginning, this chapter was intended to be a …”romantic” chapter (romantic chapters are pretty unorthodox here in the KiwiBlitz world) but where shall the next chapter take us?
IT’S A PRE-EMPTIVE PRANK! We’re on to you, Cube!
For some reason I’m getting magical girl manga feelings off this update.
To quote good old Robert Heinlein, “Nothing hikes up the ol’ biological urge like being shot at.”
theres basically no way this can turn out well for anyone
Particularly the readers!
For now I will be reading with caution, and hoping she takes great care with how to handle matters like this. Done well, I could grow to accept it. Done poorly…. well, I try not to think about it.
don’t put words in my mouth bro
(yeah im john)
oh sweet fancy moses will someone delete one of these dupes
dont put words in my mouth bro
(yeah im the john guy)
What is this! No! That is Ben! Ben is not Chandra! That is supposed to be Chandra! But it is Ben! Bad Cube! Only do the pairing -I- want to see!
As much I feel passionate for Chandra X Steffi (the only ship I’ve ever felt for in any fandom EVER – I ususally hate romance), the fact is that Cagle-sensei runs the show, and all the characters are bent to the force of the plot.
Well, this wasn’t confessed until after the mission, so unless Gear appears to shank Ben randomly, he isn’t likely to die next page…
I’m still holding out for a OTX with Chandra in the mix, but I will admit this was a) sweet, and b) well done.
What is up with all the Reed-ish icon people? Zeebo is the only one to resist the Capslock on. Credit to Rin for trying to resist…but the Reed won’t be denied…
Ehh…an OTX might solve things, bu I don’t know. Ben getting shanked would be the best option. (Am I the only one who’s never liked him?)
Anyway, it’s just that after a pretty neat chapter, full of world-building and intrigue, there’s time for a breather and cooldown after the action. But what do we get instead? Completely outta nowhere, SMOOCHES. This is the kinda thing that breeds heterophobia, besides the whole being-shoved-down-everyone’s throat all the time.
Okay, sorry for ranting, it’s just…. I REALLY don’t like Ben, so I was against this pairing from the get-go. In fact, I usually hate shipping of any kind. My Raccoon X Blitz shipping started mostly as a silly joke, but soon Chandra X Steffi became an actual thing I felt really passionate for, and remains the only exception I’ve ever had to make to my fervant no-shipping rule. Seeing that become canon (at least one-sidedly) was one of the greatest moments for me.
I just don’t wanna see “Kiwi Blitz”, which I’ve followed almost religously since it began (it’s even been my home page for over 3 years), devolve into some kind of romantic drama or kiss-fest. I cite such works as “Homestuck” and “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” as examples of where relationships can get so completely out of hand, the entire fabric of the fiction falls apart and becomes worthless. I felt that “Homestuck” redeemed itself with the Trickster Mode intermission, even if most people felt it was bad, I saw it as a heartfelt, very appreciated, apology. “Buffy”, however, could not redeem itself and became a swirlign mass of waful, gathering more and more garbage and being unable to escape the gravity.
I REALLY want to see “Kiwi Blitz” succeed as something amazing. I just feel there needs to be caution around these matters.
I must say, I’ve been reading all of these comments and I’m curious as to how you’ve developed such a connection to the comic that it can promote what appear to be such extreme reactions. To me, this is an ephemeral thing, so as much as I enjoy it and empathise with the characters and so on, I never get such a deep connection to it that it’s contents cause me to react in such a dramatic manner. Not to say that your reactions are a bad thing. They are promoting discussion and reading some in the past has enlightened me that little bit more on their subjects, I really am just curious as to how this connection has come about.
On the point of promoting discussion, I’d like to take some time to look at your posts and comment on them. To start with, Benzene, his personality and the role this provides him with. I see Ben as Steffi’s grounding force. She is home-schooled and we don’t see how much contact she has with the other Battle League entrants, if any, outside of the actual battles. How many friends does she have? How many people has she had to look at and learn what is and isn’t acceptable and suitable behaviour in the public domain? Ben is her biggest link to people her age and the adults she has spent a lot of her life with encourage her more random and potentially irresponsible behaviours. He was also asked to be her friend, and he’s stuck at it for many years for no reward that we know of. I’ve been someone’s support in a similar fashion to this before, and it’s stressful work so I admire him for his dedication. What is it that you think of Ben? Why do you dislike him?
I agree that this strip was a potentially bad move on Cube’s part. Steffi evidently needs Ben because Cube wants to have a modicum of seriousness in this comic. This has never been as light a world as it’s art implies, because we’ve seen the state of the police force, so Steffi needs the grounding force Ben provides and the drama if it goes wrong will detract from the actual plots of the villains that Steffi wants to face. Unless the plan is to completely break Steffi by having her lose everything and need to learn to recover, which would make this far darker than I expect it to become, even with the murders that have happened. How do you see the atmosphere of the comic, and how do you think that this page will alter that?
Next let’s look at the amount of romance that is in this comic. I don’t think this strip is out of the blue and neither do I think there’s a drastic excess of romance. The last time we saw these two together chronologically, they had just had the discussion on their feelings. This is probably the first time they’ve met since with some time to continue that discussion. And I’m jealous of the result. And of Reed and Jones’ blossoming relationship (which I can see taking a back seat because they’re comparatively minor characters right now). I don’t like fiction with relationships in it because of that jealousy, but I find it interesting because I like studying people. I agree that there needs to be more fiction covering the (I’m not sure of the appropriate term here, so do correct me on it) alternative sexualities, and fiction in which romance is not an important facctor, if it is one at all. But people might be afraid to write about them because they’ve not had any experience of it, nor do they know people who have. People write what they know, and most people know heterosexuality (in our capitolist regime, it’s also worth pointing out that it’s heterosexualtiy that sells most reliably). I’d read about relationships amongst other sexualities with as much interest because I’d like to find out how they all work. Do those two romances have a good reason to exist? Well, Jones is actually quite rare in that she is a woman in fiction who is taking the lead in her romances and is also being presented as a good and normal character. I see that as a bonus for equal rights if nothing else, even if she is then probably going to downgrade that bonus by becoming Reed’s support pillar and recreating the image that the best woman is one who sacrifices her own happiness for the sake of others. The reason for Ben and Steffi’s relationship has already been pointed out by Steffi herself. They’re teenagers, and now that these hormones and emotions are going through them, it’s time to experiment and learn about them, because society encourages and almost demands heterosexuality. I would have thought that even asexuals would need to try a relationship before finding out that they really do have no interest in romance because of societies’ influence, and asexuality could be one of the results of this event. As Sleepcircle asked, are you opposed to romance in general, or in the various dramas it leads to in narrative fictions?
I get particularly irritated by fans who read so much into every little detail that even innocent friendships become romantic possibilities, including the ChandraxSteffi ship that’s cropped up because I don’t see Chandra as old enough to seriously think about romance in this example. I do wonder a little if that was Cube pandering to her fans when she started to give Chandra the crush on Steffi or if it was planned from her introduction. You do understand that because of Ben’s prominence in Steffi’s life compared to Chandra’s, that relationship is quite likely to be very bitter for Chandra, and that if this is Cube pandering to her fans, then any misery Chandra suffers as a result is, in part, your fault, don’t you? If Chandra and Steffi did form a romantic relationship, how do we know it still won’t turn into a romantic drama, but with them as the focus instead of Steffi and Ben?
The worry that I could cause this myself is one of the reasons I generally comment very little. I don’t want to see the comic change to reflect my whims, I want to see where the comic was going to go anyway, unless I get asked directly to critique it. Words have power and need to be used responsibly, and as little a connection as I might feel to the characters, I would feel responsible if the comic changed to suit my tastes and the story fell apart as a result. As big a discussion as emotional posts could cause, could you handle that responsibility?
Finally, as a side point about Homestuck (because I read it but have never seen any Buffy and so can’t comment on that), since Act 5 the romance in it has been so overblown that I’ve seen the romaces from there through to the trickster mode as gigantic parodies of romantic tropes. Not to mention the amount of reader-driven input it uses and fans clamour for relationships because it’s one of most people’s major driving forces. I’ve been seeing Act 6 as mostly a nod to those fans with the trickster mode bit being a shock to bring things back to the plot he wanted to tell in the first place.
So, those are my thoughts on these matters when I let myself think all the thoughts that go through my head. Over-thinking? Most definately. But I’m curious to hear what the answers to my questions are, because I think most of them can apply to everyone, not just Shockpulse. I’d also like to reiterate that I don’t think Shockpulse is wrong to think what s/he(?) does. We think differently and I’m intrigued as to how s/he(?) arrived at his/her(?) conclusions. I also apologise for how incoherent this post may have become 2:30am is rapidly approaching me here.
Dag, that was long. And not directed at me, so I’m not going to get too deeply involved I think, but you did hit on something I want to comment on. Where you said Chandra isn’t ‘old enough to seriously think about romance’. That is a point of view I have never understood. Maybe I got an early start, but I had my first ‘serious’ crush in second grade – I’m only comfortable labeling it as serious because it lasted ’til fifth. But that was years younger than Chandra, and I’m still comfortable labeling it as serious (even though I’m quick to put a lot of my childhood firmly in the ‘man I was a dumb kid’ camp, so it’s certainly (probably?) not just nostalgia or some such). Far as I can tell, it’s just another example of people underestimating kids’ abilities to feel and reason. And frankly it kind of annoys me. Maybe it’s just that, even if indirectly, I don’t like having my first love trivialized like that. Seriously, who are you, or anyone, to tell me that I couldn’t actually ‘feel’ anything because of my age? Gah.
Aaaand while I’m being annoyed – “if this is Cube pandering to her fans, then any misery Chandra suffers as a result is, in part, your fault”? What is this nonsense? Even dealing with a fictional character’s fictional misery, that’s… sort of a super-dickish thing to say, putting said misery at anyone’s feet – especially based on a completely unconfirmed personal theory of pandering. I mean really, what were you even thinking, saying that? Why even make this personal at all? I just don’t get it. What was the point? What did it accomplish? Just, why?
One general annoyance that millions do, one personal annoyance that I just can’t comprehend why you’d say that at all… yeah, that should cover my personal grievances there, ciao.
“Maybe it’s just that, even if indirectly, I don’t like having my first love trivialized like that. Seriously, who are you, or anyone, to tell me that I couldn’t actually ‘feel’ anything because of my age? Gah.”
uh like i dont want to cause a “ruckus” over here but before you get all bent out of shape the the dude didnt actually say you couldnt feel anything at that age. kids feel all kinds of stuff. but also their psyches are still developing. formative. there are all these stages to developing a psyche thats how come kids get so messed up and turn into supervillains or whatever. so like even if you have real feelings you might not be equipped to deal with them yet or process them properly or take responsibility for a relationship with another person.
just. chill out.
i kinda want to talk about your “dickish thing to say” speech too except i dont care about this suddenly.
As an early childhood education student, I can assure you that 8-years-old is plenty old enough to have a serious relationship, “dub kid stuff” included.
It varies person-to-person, but on average, girls develop faster than other people. Still, by Age 8, most cognitive development is completed to the point where a child can understand anything, as long as soemone is willing to explain and help them succeed.
so you think 8 year old kids should be able to get married or something? where are you going with this.
(WARNING: I can get a bit rambly at times, and this was only encouragement! Still, though, I hope it came out understandable and that my meaning shows through.)
First off, please read my recentt comment at the bottom of this page. Good? Okay, continue.
Wow. I wasn’t expecting a thesis, but calm, scholarly discussion is always welcomed. (Even if it did take me a good hour or two to read it all, let alone the time to respond!)
To address specific notes:
“I’m curious as to how you’ve developed such a connection to the comic that it can promote what appear to be such extreme reactions.”
Well, my “extreme reactions” could be attributed to my austism making it difficult to hide my feelings under tact and subterfuge. As far as connections go, there are just SO MANY reasons for that. The art and the story (both described in the next response) are just one of them. The character designs (visual and personality-wise), plotlines, motives, not to mention the at-times creepiness and gore. I started reading when a scant 3 pages were online, though it took me a long while to work up the courage to post a comment, and I just really connect with all the above reasons and many more. You mention it just being another webcomic to you, but “Kiwi Blitz” is something I gush over in a diehard fan sort of way (though not as obssessively as I come off). It remains one fo the few Western comics I’ve purchased (via the book edition), and I continue to eagerly anticipate Volume 3 and beyond.
“This has never been as light a world as it’s art implies”
That is precisely one of the major reasons I love this comic. Ever since I was small, I’ve love the concept of multiplicity. It might have to do with my androgyny, but dual-natured stories, characters, etc. have always clicked with me, and for the same reason, I’ve always loved all kinds of shape-shifters and colour-changing creatures, like Octopuses and Chameleons. Plus, Cagle-sensei’s art is amazing. I hate realism to an extreme (partially due to my autism – I can’t stand looking at 3D real people, I don’t wanna see 2D illustrations look the same), and Mary Cagle’s perfectly cartoonish style has only improved over the years.
“She is home-schooled and we don’t see how much contact she has with the other Battle League entrants, if any, outside of the actual battles.”
Speaking from my own experiences, I was rarely in a regular classroom in primary school, and I went to school online for the entirety of middle school and high school, so I can understand the lack of interaction and friends. Even without autism, I’m sure being away from people would lead someone to be less sociable and stick to a few core friends. Most people’s lifelong friends are made early on, after all. That’s not to discount making new friends as an impossibility, of course, merely to imply one would be less-likely to seek them out.
“How many people has she had to look at and learn what is and isn’t acceptable and suitable behaviour in the public domain?”
This is a good point, I suppose. Again as for myself, I have to look most things up online, and I still come off sounding rude or otherwise completely against what I meant. Without being comfrotable with being exposed to society and customs, it’s easy to develop your own unique set of mannerisms, which tend to differ from the cultural norm. In Steffi’s case, this could include her brash desire to be a super hero, without fully understanding what it would entail.
“What is it that you think of Ben? Why do you dislike him?”
Most of the reasons I dislike Benzene are purely superficial, silly-in-retrospect, reasons. I dislike military stuff and all organised combat, I absolutely hate dogs (because I’m dreadfully terrified of them – even a little corgi will make me run in fear, crying), and a few other things along similar notes. Benzene isn’t actually that bad of a character, it’s just points like that that make me desire to see other characters more.
Also his hair is dumb. (>3///>)
“I would feel responsible if the comic changed to suit my tastes and the story fell apart as a result.”
This is why most of the time, my comments are incredibly silly ones or minor points of interest. (See my “Gear ships Raccoon X Blitz” and “Raccoon ships Gear X Blitz” comments for a great example of silliness.)
“I don’t think Shockpulse is wrong to think what s/he(?) does. We think differently and I’m intrigued as to how s/he(?) arrived at his/her(?) conclusions.”
Singular “they” or even “it” is fine with me.
“I also apologise for how incoherent this post may have become 2:30am is rapidly approaching me here.”
To be fair, my original comment, which started this entire mess, was written at 04:00.
“and the drama if it goes wrong will detract from the actual plots”
Yes, I took this out of context, but I wanted to stress that this was my only concern. Cagle-sensei has assured me it is not the case, however, so we can look forward to a drama-free “Kiwi Blitz” for pages to come.
Besides, we all had OUR gushy romance day last August, it’s time you Ben Shippers had a comic page that didn’t involve donuts.
Thank you all for your input, it’s quite interesting reading this stuff and finding things out.
In order of response:
I think I underestimate kids because I don’t have much interaction with them and I tend to repress memories of my primary school age. If people think that kids can feel those things, then I will concede that point.
I’ll also take back what I said about you guys potentially causing bad stuff to happen in the comic, that was me taking a personal worry too far at half 2 in the morning. I’m sorry, and I will not bring it up again in future.
I understand entirely about needing to work up the courage, it took me a while as well. Now look at us. I’m also big on the escapism, which is why I involve myself in enough different fictional worlds that I can call this ‘just another webcomic’, but as much as I like my escapism, fiction and reality are seperated in my head with the only link I can see being that they are an amusing diversion to me and others. I guess I could try and understand the connection people feel like that by looking at why I decided to run a roleplaying game in a sburb session. Yes, you did read that right and I can tell you that my players continue the fine tradition of taking time out to do really silly things, like spending a whole day planning and running a birthday party. It was glorious.
While we’re sharing personal preferences like that, I’ll throw in that I like wind-based fantasy creatures and powers. It represents so much to me, like movement, communication, adaptability, both subtlety and power and much more. Most likely because of the amount of travel I’ve had to do to get to school and to see my friends and suchlike.
The subject of being seperate from people and how that would affect someone’s development is a subject that entire theses can and have been written about. I read a bit of one on the subject of the hikkikomori phenomenom in Japan. I found it interesting, but a little sad that the main point turned out to be that the longer you shut yourself away, the harder it is to reform yourself to function in social situations.
I know all about how it’s other people who misunderstand your intentions. The written word is not an easy way in which to express yourself accurately because everyone attatches their own nuances to words so that even with body language demonstrating your meaning, people will still misunderstand. It’s why I wonder if my spare time spent studying body language had any point to it or not. Bloody ‘normal’ people and their belief that body language is something you understand innately. It’s one of the only things I dislike about my aspergers.
Fair enough about Ben. I have this odd, love-hate feeling about the military. I love the order and hierarchy they, in theory, represent. The way it’s supposed to be a big machine that functions because everyone in it knows their place and what to do with it. Obviously, that’s an ideal, but the ideal is the bit I like. I do not approve at all about the fact that they go places and kill people. That they weaponise everything they get their hands on. I honestly wish that countries everywhere would dismantle their armies, but I understand that there are a wide variety of reasons why this is not to be, at least in my lifetime. I also feel simlarly to you about real dogs, just not quite as badly. I get nervous around them, but I can hold it in long enough to get past them.
I’m also curious as to how people come to identify as gender non-binary. I know a few people like that, but I’m too afraid to ask them in person. I take the incredibly simple approach that my biology informs me that I am male, thus I am male. I don’t in any way think I’m traditionally masculine or feminine, just male. However, I understand that it could be far too personal to discuss in a public forum so don’t answer that curiosity if you don’t want to.
I’m also somewhat relieved that Cube actually spoke to you and explained why this page was posted, because of my aforementioned worry about pandering to fans etc., so that’s cool.
Although I do find Sleepcircle’s responses to that post somewhat insensitive. So Shockpulse likes gore. They’re finding outlets for that which are socially acceptable. That’s good enough for me. I control my rage in public thorugh meditation and vent it later through videogames. I don’t see this as being any different.
Shockpulse, you seriously think this comic will become focused on romance? Maybe it’s just your fear because those other two pieces suddenly focused on romance but why would this comic do the same?
There’s been a focus on Ben and Steffi’s relationship since the beginning and it’s always been maturing. The only real reason ChandraxSteffi is relavent is because of the page where Chandra draws her and Blitz together. But really, it’s just a crush. What Steffi and Ben have is more than that. Even though Steffi has driven Ben insane, he always comes back because he really cares about her. And Steffi needs Ben. She’d be dead without him. And now we’ve seen that, though a bit rusty, they have potential to be a great duo in battle.
And that, personally, is where I think the comic could go from here. Instead of the comic turning into some gushy romance, I think it would work well if Ben and Steffi fought the villains side by side and took on the mysteries together. More of a Scott Pilgrim and Ramona relationship. Well, kinda.
They’ve never really been super intimate about their feelings anyways, but they’ve both tried to ignore what they feel because they don’t see eye to eye. So the comic becomes a romance because they’ve acknowledged each others feelings?
There’s more potential of that happening if Steffi and Chandra got together. Seriously, I wouldn’t know where the story could go if those two became a couple…
I don’t care who ends up with who in the end. I’m just not very romantic so I tend to write stories where relationships are all formed before the story begins, or never at all.
Besides, Chandra can kick Ben’s butt any day.
(Book Volume 2, Page 119 – AKA: Best Comic) ….not that anyone knows what I’m talking about.
1. That’s cool, I can respect that.
2. That’s debatable, but I guess we’ll never know unless it actually happens..
Is it just me or does the bench they are sitting on say love me?
OH! I thought It read “LOL -> me”
Love me makes much more sense.
I nearly squee-d in the middle of the library–and it took a lot of effort to not do so.
But, as, um, fantastic as this page is, I honestly didn’t expect it?? I know LoT has nothing to do with KB but I remember Cube being pretty adamant that Steffi and Ben weren’t a thing. Although rhat’s all in the past now, and I know Cube also hates when people try to compare KB to LoT. Even so, I was a little shocked when I loaded today’s page.
Law of Talos. It’s a orignial character tournament (OCT) that Cube entered in a few years back with Ben and Steffi. Steffi actually originates from another such competition, but Ben never appeared in that one.
However, Law of Talos Steffi and Ben, while sharing the same characteristics, have somewhat different backstories from KB Steffi and Ben, so Cube has stated that Law of Talos is not canon to KB’s universe.
To be accurate, “Kiwi Blitz” and its characters/concepts date back to WELL before Law of Talos. Mary Cagle just hadn’t finalized the story enough to start writing the comic proper. It takes years and years to perfect something after all!
And that is why I respect her decision for this page. As much as I dislike it, I have to hope it is part of a greater, unifying whole.
Hmm? I thought Steffi’s concept was born because of the Steel Nation OCT. Was she created before that? That’s the earliest I remember seeing drawings of her, but I don’t really know Cube, so I have no idea.
Obviously this is NOT a prank or it would have been delayed until April first… it’s an elaborate trolling!
“Oh hey guys you know this is legit since it isn’t April first, and no one ever tricked others save for on that day.”
Uh huh. We’ll see.
Queue the limo driver pulling up in 3… 2… 1…
Holy shittles. Wasn’t expecting that.
Aw, no more Raccoon/Steffi!
So obviously now Ben is going to die somewhere down the line in the story.
Also what’s with all this Raccoon/Blitz stuff? Isn’t the Raccoon like 8 or something?
buuuut she has crushers on stef for sure! I mean sure what could come of it but it’s cute.
fair enough I suppose.
Also looking at the comic again, the bench has “LOVE -> ME” written on it with the arrow pointing at Ben.
Didn’t notice that before.
I checked. She’s 11.
And the crowd goes wild!
Welp and there my chair and I toppled over backwards.
♪ Purple haze all in my brain ♪
♪ Lately things just don’t seem the same ♪
♪ Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why ♪
♪ ‘Scuse me while I kiss this guy! ♪
♪ *insert wicked kick ass guitar solo* ♪
well, i waited 4 years for this to happen, soooo….FINALLY!!!
please dont mess my happyness from the moment up!!
What, just because we’re still in March I won’t think you’re pulling a fast one on us? Please, it’s totally a prank.
And if it isn’t, it will be *awful* for the two of them. Nothing good will come of this, no matter how much we wish it would. There are some characters I like seeing suffer. These two? Not so much. Not this way.
All this sugar will give me cavities. I’m outta here until next update.
*once around the corner, you hear a triumphant yell*
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Bonnie, you owe me 10 bucks!
Holy Shit guys, what is wrong with all of you, why can’t you just enjoy the comic for what it is instead getting all butt-hurt over mary’s Idea. I’m very much against gay marriage but I still read homestuck because it is interesting and fun to read regardless of dirk’ homosexuality. I didn’t pissed when he and john ended up together, in fact I kept to see how this would roll out because john is just so terribly awkward about everything, see interesting. Mary’s been leading up to this for awhile now, let her tell her story.
Bluh, people keep sending me messages and stuff. Look, I don’t hate Ben. I don’t care who ends up in a relationship with who. I’m not heterophobic. I AM a fan of gore, so wanting to see characters as splattered, messy goo n’ chunks is not restricted to just Ben.
Ahem. Anyway, the point is this: I was worried KB would turn into a downward spiral of drama and relationship troubles. I should have known better than to doubt Cagle-sensei’s judgement, and she has informed me this simply is not true. If I may, allow me to quote her:
“Look at it this way: We’re addressing this now so the rest of the comic isn’t will-they-won’t-they drama like so many stories ;0″
So there. It’s not gonna be trouble, so we can all relax and watch how it unfolds. There will still be robot fights and cyborg killers and furries and adorable burglars and all the jazz that we love so much.
you might want to look into why gore winds you up so tight. is it an adrenaline thing. a kink thing. a repressed rage thing? whatever it is maybe you should stop reading about early development in kids and start reading about the psychology behind cravings for slaughter. fictional or not.
As much as I hate to get into an argument (as this looks like it might be going), especially so soon after clearing the fog of this whole debacle with kisses and shipping and nonsense….
Gore does not “wind me up”, it relaxes me. I genuinely enjoy bloodletting, but I have the self-control to separate it from my other passions. Even if it wasn’t highly illegal, I would never mutilate someone because that’s just not nice. It’s purely a fantasy, and I would never think of actually hurting anything. Heck, I tend to get apologetic and frightened when I accidently bump into a wall, hoping I didn’t damage the wall in any way. (Not a joke.)
On the below subject of “plz stop talking about how autistic you are”, it is not an excuse, simply an explanation. I’m sick of people treating me like crap and resentful of teachers sending me to be alone in a copier room all day, every day, just because my thought processes and physical acuity differ from the norm. It’s akin to saying “who cares if you’re blind, just try harder to see”. In using that analogy, being, as you say, “borderline” blind can be fixed with eyeglasses. It’s a LOT harder to give vision to someone who’s never even had eyes in the first place.
I try my best every day to take steps forward in following all of society’s stupid rules of mannerisms and speech patterns, trying to annunciate sentences and look in the general direction of people, but the facts remain that I still only barely understand how “regular human beings” (to use your words) think and react to situations. Yes, it’s slow going, and I can only barely interact with people, but I stomach the desire to flee and hide and keep pushing forward until I reach my limit and have to make a retreat to save myself from the breakdowns and paranoia that inevitably occur if I go past my limit.
Besides the obvious fact of usually being nonjudgemental, small children tend to think in very straightforward ways, extremely similar to my own. I constantly see childcare teachers being neglectful, chatting amongst themselves about random topics, and even laughing at the children’s normal behaviours as something “funny”. I think like young children because I’m autistic, and add to that a sense of justice, you can be sure I won’t give up my dream, no matter what.
i get a lot of what you said you experience and my point still stands.
i am not talking about being a regular human being in “following all of society’s stupid rules of mannerisms and speech patterns” and btw great job at expressing how much you look down on all of it.
i am talking about trying to regulate my weird problems and compulsions and trying not to constantly hurt people around me.
also fantasies are expressions of what we really want deep inside. even if we never act on them theyre still there.
hear about that norwegian teacher that got fired after letting a dozen kindergarten students taste her blood?
also plz stop talking about how autistic you are and how it does this and that. i am borderline autistic myself and its nothing special it just means i have to try a little harder to be a regular human being. if you keep trying to make excuses instead of trying to improve how you relate to people then youre doing it wrong.
Okay, butting in again, it’s what I do apparently. Hi, another person with autism problems! From what I gathered from the doctor report, not really full-blown, but not really borderline, sort of middling in my case? I dunno it was kind of confusing. But to the point, I also have strong feelings about people using autism as an excuse. Getting the special autism treatment always bothered me, so people who embrace it as a get-out-of-whatever-free card just rub me the wrong way. But Shockpulse there, I read everything you did, with eyes also biased against the Autism Excuse, and I haven’t seen any comment from (her?) that read like an excuse to me at all. I’ve seen statements of fact for extra perspective, but never trying to brush something aside because ‘Oh, it’s okay, I’m just autistic’. There’s a difference between mentioning your autism and taking advantage of your autism, and I’ve only seen the first from Shockpulse.
Y’know, I don’t really know what it is, but you just keep coming off as really… abrasive and judgmental. The way you word things is just… I don’t know, so very and utterly dismissive of everything else that it makes me prickly. I mean, yes, this is my second time butting in about things that bugged me, so maybe I don’t have a lot of room to talk, but still. Even when you’re making a comment that starts like it’ll be civil and non-judgmental, you always manage to work in something that just makes it… ugh. I do not like the way you’ve been talking here, it seems contrary to civil discussion and paints you as feeling superior to who you’re talking to. There, that sums it up nicely.
Oh srsly guys.
U SPAMMING TEH KIWI BLITZ.
I usually like reading ur comments because this fandom is cool but SRSLY TAKE A CHILLPILL AND LET THE TEENS KISS. OK??!!!!!!
Gosh, guys. This is suppose to be a happy moment!! IM HAPPY. But I can’t read every comment cause they r toooooooooo long =3=
Okay, this comment made my day. X3
Sorry about that. I started musing on overthinking things, then I decided to roll with it because, as genuinely interested in the stuff I wrote about as I was, I thought it’d be funny to see how far I could take it.
I also find it amusing that, as many people have pointed out, most posts with Reed-related gravatars are extreme either in their caps-lock or their length. Hee hee.
But you’re right, this is a happy moment for them. Musn’t forget about that.
Aww yeah dreams came truuuuuuue.
At last the young lovers finally meet,
Will there be repercussions from their attack on snake guy?
Will their new found feelings suddenly be put in danger?
Will cop dude get a cool new arm with lasers on it?
Where did 42 go?
Find out on the next exciting instalment of…
KIIIII WEEEE BLIIIIIITZ!!
*awkward sounding inward scream*
I HAVE MIXED POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS UPDATE. In a good way.
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